Episode 91. Marriage Myths: What You Believe Might Be Holding You Back (Part 1)
Myth vs. Marriage Reality
If you’ve ever caught yourself saying “So do I!” a few too many times—You love camping? So do I! You hate conflict? Me too!—you’re not alone. Early love makes us stretchy. We reach, we blend, we smooth edges. That flexibility can be sweet…until it quietly erases you.
In our MythBusters episode, we talked about enmeshment (losing yourself to keep the peace or keep approval) versus differentiation (being close and staying you). Let’s expand that here—with everyday examples, a quick self-check, and one tiny habit that will immediately lower tension at home.
The “So-Do-I” Spiral (and why it feels so good at first)
Enmeshment is sneaky because it often looks like kindness:
You change your plans to match theirs—every time.
You “don’t have preferences,” because preferences could rock the boat.
You say yes, but your stomach says no.
At first this feels loving; over time it breeds resentment and disconnection. Why? Because intimacy without individuality turns syrupy. Without a solid “I,” the “we” collapses.
Differentiation: Closeness without Collapse
Differentiation is the grown-up skill of staying connected while staying you. It sounds like:
“I love that you love football. I’m going to read on the porch while you watch the game, and let’s take a walk together afterward.”
“I hear your reasons for moving. I need a week to sit with it and check what’s true for me.”
“I want intimacy tonight, and I’m okay if you’re not there yet—can we talk about what would help?”
Key idea: Changing a boundary isn’t enmeshment if you change it, on purpose, from a solid self. That’s not capitulation; that’s choice.
A 3-Question Self-Check Before You Say “Yes”
The difference between healthy flexibility and self-erasure is your motive. Before you agree, pause and ask:
Am I moving toward love or avoiding tension?
Do I feel free to say no? (If not, it’s not a real yes.)
Can I own this choice tomorrow without blaming my spouse?
If you can’t answer yes to at least #1 and #2, you’re probably in enmeshment territory.
Micro-Examples You’ll Recognize
House decision:
Enmeshment: “Whatever you want—just pick.”
Differentiation: “Your reasons make sense. I still have concerns about cost. Can we list pros/cons and set a ceiling before we decide?”Sexual pace:
Enmeshment: “I’ll do it so you’re not upset.”
Differentiation: “I want closeness, and I need more time to warm up. Can we slow it down and start with what helps me feel safe?”Family plans:
Enmeshment: “We’ll go to your parents every holiday. Mine will understand.”
Differentiation: “I love your family. I also need time with mine. Let’s alternate or split the day.”
Differentiation doesn’t guarantee agreement; it guarantees honesty, which is the soil intimacy grows in.
The Story You’re Telling about Your Spouse
Another myth we tackled is that the story in your head is “objective reality.” Spoiler: it isn’t. Our brains run on shortcuts. When your partner walks in quiet, your story might be “He’s mad at me.” When she declines sex, your story might be “She doesn’t desire me.”
Here’s the kicker: couples who do best assume positive intent more often. They still address problems—but they start from curiosity, not accusation.
Try this reframe in real time:
From “She’s ignoring me.” → “She looks spent. I’ll ask how her day was before I dive in.”
From “He never helps.” → “He might not see what I’m seeing. I’ll make one clear request.”
Is your partner always innocent? Of course not. But beginning with generous interpretation lowers defensiveness and makes the truth easier to reach.
A One-Minute Script That Changes Everything
When tension rises, use CUE → CARE:
Contain: “I’m feeling myself get heated. I want to handle this well.”
Understand: “What were you hoping for when you did/said that?”
Express: “Here’s what I need next time…”
Check intent (“Were you trying to…?”)
Ask for one behavior (“Could you text if you’ll be late?”)
Reassure connection (“We’re on the same team.”)
End with appreciation (“Thanks for hearing me.”)
It’s simple, not easy—and it’s magic for couples who tend to spiral.
What now?
1) Pick one tiny place to be a little more you.
Example: “I’ll join the first half of the party and head home at 9.”
Say it warmly, not defensively.
2) Catch one story and swap it for a question.
When your brain writes a negative script (“She’s annoyed with me”), turn it into: “Hey, you seem off—anything I can do?”
3) Celebrate one true yes and one true no.
Tell each other where you chose honestly this week, and thank each other for it.
The Bottom Line
Healthy marriages aren’t fusion; they’re friendship between two solid selves. When you stop erasing yourself and stop erasing your spouse with harsh stories, you create the kind of safety where desire, humor, and trust naturally return.
No martyrdom required. Just honesty, choice, and a little curiosity—today.
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0:02
Welcome to Marriage IQ, the podcast helping you become an intelligent spouse.I'm Heidi Hastings.And I'm Scott Hastings.We are two doctors, 2 researchers, 2 spouses, 2 lovers, and two incredibly different human beings coming together for one purpose, to change the stinky parts of your marriage into scintillating ones using intelligence mixed with a little fun. welcome back to another awesome, awesome episode of Marriage IQ.
0:39
We're really happy to be with you today.Today we have something kind of fun planned.Scott has a great hobby of looking for myths and trying to dispel falsehoods and bust the myths.Kind of like Ghostbusters in that movie, but he's a myth Buster.
0:57
He loves using research or things that he's learned in life to help people see things from a different perspective.So this is going to be a two-part episode.And in Part 1, he will share some of the myths that he thinks are really important to bust.
1:15
And then in Part 2 on Friday, I will take a shot at busting some of my own myth or falsehoods that specifically showed up in my research.It's going to come a little bit more from a female perspective, a little bit more from a faith perspective.
1:31
So let's just dive into it.Thanks, Heidi.You know, I think the whole idea of myths is kind of subjective anyway.OK, tell me what you mean by that.So my myth might be your truth, right?So I try to keep that in mind looking at this stuff, but I try to find some trends and look, everyone might not agree with what we have to say today.
1:56
If you don't reach out to us.hello@marriageiq.com, let us know and we will respond to you.At least I will, but.Since I'm the keeper of the e-mail.I think it's important to know that these myths, there's a lot we could have done, so many more, right?
2:16
We came up with some common ones.So anyway, let's just jump in here.We are all humans just trying to get by in life, right?Yeah.And I really love that you brought up the perspective of we see things differently and what may in one situation be really healthy for a marriage, when it's twisted a little bit or put under different lights, so to speak, it can become exactly the opposite.
2:49
That's a great point you bring up there, Heidi, because all these myths that we're breaking today could also be truth under different circumstances.As you said, what we're trying to do is just help you refine, refine, finding out where the truth lies.
3:05
And sometimes it's like the sharp end of a knife, a very, very sharp knife.It can be very two sides of the same coin kind of a thing, right?And it's how we look at these things.And if we look at both sides, we're going to be better educated on these things.
3:21
We're going to become a more intelligent spouse, which is why you're here, why we're here.I think it it doing so expands our decision making capacity and expands the ability for us to use agency more fully.Yes, I love it.
3:38
All right, what's your first one?Well, this is in no particular order.So there's not like a top 10.We didn't do a study with a bunch of people, but you've probably heard this term enmeshment we throw around.That means that I or my spouse or both of us fold our own independent identity into the marriage.
4:00
Because that's what a good spouse does, right?So what might that look like in, say, just one sentence?Because I don't think most couples consciously say I'm going to fold myself into my spouse.
4:15
No, it's rarely conscious, right?Yes.So.But these are some examples.OK.Hey, you like that, Beck?G20 Pence.So do I.You like exploring abandoned castles in Ireland?So do I.You like the chiefs and hate the Cowboys?
4:33
So do I.And all that sounds good.You like researching climate change?So do I, so the so do I's happen sometimes in an instant without even thinking about it.
4:49
Because I am not consciously thinking for myself, but I am wanting your approval or wanting to be aligned with you.Especially if it's a new relationship, if it's a new, you know, exciting, we tend to fold a lot faster and quicker and deeper in those new types of relationships, especially certain personality types that really require a lot of validation.
5:20
And so we don't think about it.We just, we want to be liked, we want to be accepted.You want to belong to the group.We want to belong, you know, and so we very easily give up our own individual likes, dislikes, passions, our disgusts and our hobbies.
5:37
But regarding deeply ingrained values like religion, politics, financial practices, health practices, those who are on the same page with those really deeply ingrained values do have better outcomes when they are aligned together.
5:56
And there's some studies by Heaton Al in 1990 on religion and Arpino in 2025 on political identity.Those are deeply held values, religion and politics, and so when you match up on those things, you do tend to do better.
6:13
I think that part of that is because it allows us to be authentic.I'm just thinking of our daughter who's in a grad school program where the vast majority of the other students differ religiously and politically from her.And it really keeps her from speaking out because she wants to be accepted, because she doesn't want to cause rifts.
6:35
She silences herself.And in doing so, there's a lot of distress because she thinks if they really knew me, they wouldn't accept me.They wouldn't care for me.I think the same thing can happen in marriage when those core value things are not aligned.
6:51
Yeah.Well, you can make it happen.You can make it work.Still.Being your own individual identity, it's just harder and the research bears us out.It's harder when you don't start out with the same, let's say religious or faith background, or like I said, the financial practices, health practices, things like that, political affiliations.
7:13
So it just makes it easier when that is similar.OK, what's your next method?So #2 is changing my own personal boundaries to include some of my spouse's requests.Is just giving in or enmeshment.So #2 actually helps answer #1 and that is for those people who say, OK, I'm going to allow myself to do whatever my spouse has asked a request.
7:43
That's enmeshment.That's what they might think.You see what I mean?So either way, it can go bad if you if if you become too enmeshed, if you become part of your spouse's identity, you lose yourself.
7:59
On the flip side, if you're not able to look at yourself, identify yourself and maybe make some changes that might help facilitate that marital experience in a better way.That's.Like how?
8:14
Well, give me an example, because I see that you're talking about self differentiation here and I just want to know what's an example for?Yeah, so let's say a buying a house, you know, I don't want to buy a house, but you want to buy a house and you list all the reasons for buying a house.
8:30
And I, I have that decision to sit down with myself and decide am I going to do this as a reaction to my wife?That's.The key right there.Or do I intentionally want to do this?Can I change the boundary I set around myself that I do not want a new house and say I can accept the idea of moving into a new house I've.
8:52
Listened to your reasons.I've thought it through, Yeah.And.So that that is changing a boundary for myself.You're not changing it.I am, but I'm doing it by myself and so.Again, using more agency.Yeah, Now if I did it just because you wanted to, that's where enmeshment comes in, because it's not my identity, it's yours.
9:12
And so these can turn really bad or really good depending on which way we choose to look at them.If the change is driven by fear, compliance, or anxiety, then yes, that is fusion.That's enmeshment.But if the change comes from a solid self with the freedom to say no but the choice to say yes, it is differentiation.
9:33
Oh, I like how you really simplified there.That was good.Two pioneers in the field, Doctor David Schnarch and Murray Bowen.We've talked about them a lot.Some of my favorites.They help us unpack this seemingly contradictory paradoxical phenomenon.It is like a very sharp 2 edged sword.
9:50
In the book The Passionate Marriage by Schnarch, he says that differentiation is about having a self to give, not about walling yourself off.And Bowen would add that a differentiated person can modify a position without losing self.
10:06
There's the flexible to add to the strong self, So snarch.Says we have to know that differentiation is the ability to maintain your sense of self when you are emotionally and physically close to your partner.It means you can change yourself without losing yourself.
10:22
People often confuse differentiation with independence.Differentiation allows you to choose to alter your boundaries without feeling that you've been invaded.But it requires a lot of intentionality.Sitting with ourselves and finding out who am I really?
10:40
And that's what we teach here on Marriage IQ.Increasing your intelligence one episode at a time.All right, how about the next one?The number three, I should never feel a little scared in a good marriage.OK.
10:56
So we're talking safety here.Safety and security.Security.I should always feel safe and secure, right?Don't we all?Financially, emotionally, sexually, we're talking about all of those things.Secure, cozy.OK, bubble wrapped.
11:14
So we're here to say risk is necessary.I'm taking a risk by jumping out of this airplane with the parachute that hopefully works for some people.I wouldn't do that.It's even getting in the airplane.You know, like every other item on this list, this is a balancing act.
11:33
In case you haven't noticed by now, folks, there's a balance.There could be too much on either side.Yep.It's never going to be always or never or any of those things.It's going to be sometimes and maybe and perhaps.
11:51
And that in and of itself is a myth, right?Yeah, good job.So it's learning how to shape and hone that two edged sword, how to balance it just right, or at least most of the time.OK, next one number four, marriages don't create good health.
12:11
It's just that more healthy people get married at higher rates.Wait, that's the myth right there.Yes, that's the myth.I'm a big stickler with the cause and effect, right?What came first, the chicken or the egg?
12:27
Cause and effect?So is it good marriages that cause good health or do healthy people get married in higher numbers?It is some of both, but it is that, as discussed on episode 49, that is a marriage IQ exclusive.
12:49
We dive down deep into the physical and mental benefits of marriage, benefits that are strangely received by men higher than women.Men do better when they get married than women, generally speaking, that's.
13:06
What we talked.About in the ROM, a health standpoint.So in other things like blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, death rates, they're all improved, as well as depression and addictive behaviors.We quoted a multitude of studies in that episode to support our proclamation that marriage with a caveat that those marriages that are deemed to be highly satisfying have the strongest positive data, are positive in general, and that bad marriages, not so much.
13:43
So it's not just the marriage itself, but it's the vibrant marriage.OK.So if they're listening to marriage IQ and practicing a lot of the things that we teach, kind of looking at things through that perspective, helping their marriage become vibrant or scintillating, then you are saying that likely can help improve their health.
14:09
Yeah, that's great.Yeah.If they've deemed that they their satisfaction score, so when they interview these people, their marriage satisfaction score.And the higher it went, the better these results were health wise and mental wise.
14:26
So there is something to having a good marriage over just a marriage period.Because bad marriages don't really afford the type of benefits that healthy, vibrant marriages do.Yeah, I did see that play out with the client I just met with this week.
14:43
Very much lot of health problems came as pile up, stress happened in the marriage and they didn't have the coping skills to navigate that.Yeah, that's sad.All right, Scott, So what do you have next?What's the next myth?So #5 my spouse and I will always be the same as we were on our wedding day or at other.
15:03
Times wise, that might be good for some of us.Intellectually, Nah, I don't want to go back.You think I still think like a 25 year old, you know?Well, sometimes you think like a 12 year old.How?Often I do the world's oldest 12 year.
15:21
Old, but in a lot of areas you've really matured very nicely.So you know, it's true.We just think this.We think that, OK, we've got married and everything is just great.At other times in our lives, if I know my own identity, then I don't ever have to worry about not knowing who I am again, right?
15:44
That's a subconscious thing though, I think.I don't think that's something we really.Well, if you sit down with yourself, the subconscious becomes conscious.That's that's the point.All right, I would love to be in your head sometimes and see how all of this plays out.
16:01
All right, so I want to ask you, as a child, did you ever watch the Disney movie Cinderella?Yes.All right.And you enjoyed it?You liked it?Yes.OK, especially the end where she married the Prince and they lived happily ever after.Yes, but I don't like that.
16:19
But as a child, you.Think fairy tale mindset now.Yeah, as a child you think it's great so.In fact, I don't even like Handsome Princess anymore.I'm curious why they didn't do a sequel.Cinderella Part 2.
16:35
That's that's a great. .10 year.What's your take on that?Well, ten years, 20 lbs and three children later, why don't they do a movie on that?Oh wait, they're different.The shoe broke and.He just got kicked out of the castle because of a mutiny.And, you know, the things happen, that's the thing.
16:53
And we change over time.And there's this, I think, naive thought that we don't ever have to really worry about our identity once we know who we are or on our wedding day.Well, and really the whole premises for Cinderella was built on external things, not internal things like she was transformed into this beautiful Princess which she not live that kind of life at all.
17:16
That was not who she was authentically, first of all.And second of all, it's built on the shoe size, right?Shoe size.So I think you're right when especially marriages in the beginning are built on external things like a woman's beauty or a man's buffness or something like that.
17:37
As things start to change and we start to see who authentic real selves are, if that was the purpose for getting together in the 1st place, it doesn't hold up much.So why'd you tell me I was buffed the other night then?Well, you are.You're probably way more buff, way more attractive now than you were.
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You weren't just a little guy when we got married.You were very scrawny.I think you've definitely gotten better with age.But you made me laugh, so that's what I loved.That was the kicker.That was the kicker.So you probably heard of Esther Perrell.She is a relationship expert, she said.
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Quote, most people experience two or three marriages or committed relationships in their adult lives and if they are fortunate, these will be with the same person, UN quote.I love that we are reinventing ourselves, folks, as we age, as we go through life together.
18:27
This is normal.We're not the same people that we were when we got married.And when you are getting married, if you're going to get married, think about it, you won't be the same person even a few years down the road.We're constantly changing.Let's stay on the positive side of that, the cutting edge of that evolution change in our lives.
18:46
Are you ready to rediscover, reinvent and re explore who you and your spouse are?We're always just searching, discovering, creating, building, tearing down our identities.Over a lifetime.We'll never get to that 100% of knowing exactly who we are.
19:03
That leaves space for at least a few percentage points for that mystery and tree and intrigue of ourselves when it comes to our spouse.We don't know them at all, right?I don't know you.You do know me to quite a good extent, but you never know me fully.
19:20
That's true.So Scott, I think this one's often seen after the fact when people are bemoaning the fact that their spouse has changed significantly in some way from expectations that were discussed prior to marriage.You're not the same person I married.
19:35
Yeah.And this might include some really, really difficult circumstances, some difficult changes to navigate, such as changes in faith, belief by one partner, a desire to have or not have children that's different than what they talked about or feelings about sex.
19:54
So I think the seriousness of this one of understanding it is going to really require a lot of communication and sometimes maybe even.Clinical help from a therapist or a coach or something to work through because it's tough.
20:10
Lean into the fear.Lean into the struggle.All right, what do you have?Next number six men only view pornography because they're dissatisfied with sex or are disappointed in their wife's appearance or sexual performance, or to de stress from work or cope with uncomfortable feelings.
20:30
I think those first few are often the stories that women tell themselves.Well, and again, this could go either way.Do men use this to de stress?Absolutely.Do they use this because they're lonely or bored?Yes, they do.However, my point here is that.
20:47
That's not the only reason.There is a biological basis for viewing pornography.There is a study done by Hammond at Al 2004 that showed a functional MRI, a scan of brains of men and women and they show that men had a significantly greater reaction in the amygdala than women in response to viewing sexually stimulating pictures.
21:13
Layer at Al 2014 found that problematic pornography use, whatever that really means.I would say from my research I know that means either it's unwanted by the person who's viewing it or it's creating distress of some sort in marriages, families, employment and mental health of the user.
21:37
Well, I think for a lot of men, including this man, that would mean any kind of pornography.So any kind of pornography is problematic for a lot of men, and so I think that needs to be acknowledged.Yep, sure.Anyway, this this problematic pornography is more likely to be found in men who have lower levels of emotional regulation.
22:02
In other words, these men, they stress more easily, they more anxious, maybe more depressed.Although again, the chicken and egg thing going on here because it also has been shown to cause depression, mental health issues and stress in those who are viewing it.
22:25
So it's really hard to say what is the causation.Well, it's a correlation for sure.Yeah, a lot of pornography use does lead to worsening of mental health outcomes.That is true for pornography or both men and women in marital relationships #7 if I just remove all the negatives from my life and my marriage, then the result will be the happiest life possible.
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For example, if only my spouse stops arguing, my kids stop yelling, my boss stops demanding, my depression stops depressing, then life will automatically know what to do.It'll automatically.
23:09
Sun will shine brighter.Yeah, so the absence of negativity automatically means a scintillating life.In my head I hear is singing Somewhere Over the Rainbow.So joy isn't simply the result of absence of suffering.
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Let me repeat that.Joy isn't simply the result of absence of suffering.You know, I am reading a book, The Prophet by Khalil Gibran, written in the 1920s, and he says actually joy is feeling the cup of suffering, that the more that we struggle, the more joy can move in and fill that.
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Cup.Yeah, it doesn't feel that way in the moment, I'll tell you right.Now Nope, but interesting.The ability to retrospect and make sense of that all makes a meaning out of it.So let's learn how to live life from a proactive point of view, folks, not a reactive.It's very, very easy to react.
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It is not easy to proact.I would start by recommending Stephen Covey's books 7 Habits for highly of highly effective people.Numero Uno.Can anyone guess what that is?Be proactive.So let's all be proactive.
24:26
OK, there you go. #8 the lens from which I tell myself stories about my spouse and or children don't want to leave them out is actually objective reality.So that's the myth, that that's the myth.I think what I'm telling myself is really true.
24:43
Look, we're all messed up to some degree.We all are.How do you feel when I say that?Relieved.Like, oh, I'm so glad everyone else is messed up.Indignant.Scared.How dare you.I'm not messed up.Well, it's true folks.
24:58
In episode 47, we talked about several types of biases that affect us that color how we see our world.I think that was a really big episode for both of us.Yeah, some of these biases we just come into this world with, They're ingrained, they're genetic.
25:14
Others are learned La Buddha at Al in 2023 and other studies show that actually spouses are typically not too bad at reading each other's emotions and perceptions, according to Carney at Al 2001.
25:31
The most satisfied couples though are those that think positively toward their spouses intent.So when it comes to intent, that makes the biggest difference.So for example, if you come home from work and I sense some kind of a negative vibe, either anger, stress, something like that, and I assume it's pointed to me, then that's going to be far more negative than if I can think, OK, what is your intent?
26:03
What is going on?What are the possibilities here?What does research found Carney 2001 satisfied couples think positively toward their spouses intent, while the more distressed couples tended to assign more negative intent.
26:19
OK so same scenario I come home distant and you think in your head instead of I did he thinks I did something wrong to he had a really rough day and is just really exhausted right?
26:40
See what I mean?So what is your intent with your spouse?The stories that we tell ourselves.And that's where communicating and asking some of those questions instead of just assuming, yeah.The thing is though, there is kind of a baseline story though.
26:57
You can talk it through every time, but the couples that are more oriented to positive intent or positive stories they tell themselves versus negative stories that they tell themselves, they tend to just do better, even if the ones who think negatively talk it out.
27:17
All right, this is the last one for me.Myths #9 and this is quite controversial.You'll see why only religious people care about marriage.You know, one of the reasons I wanted to do this podcast, Marriage IQ, is to reach out to those people who are non religious.
27:42
There are a lot of marriage podcasts out there.A good chunk of them are religious.They're aimed for religious groups and a good chunk of those are Christian.Lots of Christian marriage podcasts.That's mostly what I see, yeah.And so my thinking anyway was to reach out by using evidence based research through a scientific lens, not using much religion, although we are both highly religious people.
28:12
Guess what?Highly religious people can also be scientific too.But you can disagree with me here, Heidi I.Well, I think according to Doctor Brad Wilcox, who we had on episode 83, maybe he would say that the elites who are people that are very, very wealthy, usually college educated also marriage is very important to them, right, Right.
28:39
Well, it's a priority for them.Are you saying that elites are not religious or?Well.More maybe academic elites, People in academia.OK, I'd go with that.Yeah, I don't know whether elites are religious or not religious, but I think that's a good point.
28:57
That's a really good point.I hadn't, in formulating this thought I hadn't thought that through.But yeah, academic elites for sure.That would be the case.It's important to them, but they also aren't the type very often who are listening to podcasts because they are.
29:13
Unless they're podcasts with a lot of research and you know, 2 professionals.That's just my thoughts.Go for it.I mean, if you gather the audience that you're targeting for and hoping for, then better power to you.
29:28
That's really great.Look, I think most people listening are probably religious.That's just my guess.I don't have stats on that.But the fact that there are so many marriage podcasts, by far the majority that are targeted to religious audiences, we did want to take a different perspective than that.
29:46
We love scripture, but we did want to combine the research element that's very important to us to help explain things and expand perspective and understanding and see trends.So it's not just us giving our opinions.
30:02
It's not just us that's right.Telling stories of somebody who almost divorced and then pulled through it.It is using both sides.Yeah.We spent a lot of time preparing this information and getting it prepped and because we want to keep it scientific and throw in stories too, personal stories.
30:21
Yeah, there's a study, couple of studies too, I want to use here on non religious people and expectation of marriage.There is a study by Henderson in 2017 found that although non religious adults across the US had lower expectations to marry than religious adults, most of them still found it important.
30:41
And I think that's important to recognize.Non religious adults still think by and large marriage is important.I agree with that.I do think that for a lot of religious folks that added element like again, Brad Wilcox talked about of commitment, of covenant, of promise, of I'm making an oath here to somebody beyond my spouse.
31:08
I'm bringing God into this promise that I'm making.I do think that adds some strength.Absolutely.I am not debating that at all.I think that's 100% true.OK, that's it.Glad we agree on that.All right everybody, that's it for this episode of Marriage IQ.
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We hope that you will join us on Friday to hear Part 2 of this episode, where I will talk again about things from a little bit more of a faith perspective, a little bit more of a female perspective grounded in some of my research and even some personal experiences.And we'll see you next Friday on another episode of Marriage IQ.
