Episode 38. Beyond the Mirror: Navigating Body Insecurities
Expectations play a crucial role in marital satisfaction, yet many couples struggle to align their expectations with reality. In this episode, we explore the intricate relationship between expectations and marital happiness, drawing insights from recent research and our personal experiences.
We discuss how childhood experiences shape our expectations, the impact of unrealistic expectations on marital satisfaction, and the importance of balancing high expectations with realistic investment in the relationship.
We vulnerably share a personal anecdote about our recent "Christmas leaf blower incident," illustrating how misaligned expectations can lead to misunderstandings and disappointment. This story serves as a springboard for discussing the need for regular check-ins and adjustments in marital expectations.
This episode offers a blend of scientific insight and practical advice, providing listeners with tools to enhance their marital satisfaction through better understanding and management of expectations. Whether you're newlyweds or long-time partners, this discussion offers valuable perspectives on creating a more harmonious and fulfilling relationship.
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Welcome to Marriage IQ, the podcast for the intelligent spouse.[00:00:08 - 00:00:10]
I'm Dr. Heidi Hastings.[00:00:10 - 00:00:12]
And I'm Dr. Scott Hastings.[00:00:13 - 00:00:30]
We are two doctors, two researchers, two spouses, two lovers, and two incredibly different human beings coming together for one purpose. To transform the stinky parts of your marriage into scintillating ones using intelligence mixed.[00:00:30 - 00:00:31]
With a little fun.[00:00:35 - 00:00:39]
Welcome back to another episode of Marriage IQ.[00:00:40 - 00:00:44]
And, Heidi, why don't we say another exciting episode of Marriage IQ?[00:00:45 - 00:00:57]
Well, this is a really great episode and it's a really important episode, but it's a rather serious topic that we're going to be talking about today. So why don't you give us an introduction?[00:00:57 - 00:01:43]
Well, I wish I could, but do you know how difficult it is to to talk about today's topic? It's another one of those things where if we don't talk about it, it doesn't exist. Right, Right. Wrong. So let's start with some research because, you know, that's what we do. That's usually a fun way to break the ice surrounding a very somber topic. So since we're on the subject of body image, did you know, according to Journal of Plastic Reconstructive and Aesthetic Surgery 2020, Florida, California, and New York have the highest rates of plastic surgery per capita per 1000 people.[00:01:44 - 00:01:45]
Why do you think those states?[00:01:47 - 00:01:48]
I don't know.[00:01:48 - 00:01:52]
Florida and California are warm, so people are wearing things.[00:01:52 - 00:01:59]
Well, one thing I did find in this research, too. South Americans really tend to use plastic surgery more than even.[00:02:00 - 00:02:02]
So I wonder if it is like, beach location.[00:02:02 - 00:02:14]
Yeah, I don't know. Probably. H. And according to Statista, the USA is second only to Brazil, South America, big beach country, and number of plastic surgeries performed.[00:02:14 - 00:02:15]
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According to golden steps, ABA women account for 92% of plastic surgery procedures.[00:02:22 - 00:02:24]
Most of them are really surprising.[00:02:24 - 00:02:27]
Yeah, not. Well, I mean, a little bit. 92%.[00:02:27 - 00:02:28]
That is pretty high.[00:02:29 - 00:02:43]
So men are only 8%, and they range typically age between 40 and 54. Caucasians accounted for 70% of all these procedures. So they're the highest ethnic group.[00:02:43 - 00:02:44]
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Which is interesting because South Americans tend to be higher. So I. I don't know how that all works out, but 48 of plastic surgery patients said their significant other was the biggest influence on their decision to undergo plastic surgery. Friends was second at 18%, family members third at 6%, and social media influencers at 4%. I thought that was higher than that.[00:03:15 - 00:03:27]
I would think definitely it would be higher than that. But that's really interesting that partners, spouses, significant others are really by far the Biggest influence on that?[00:03:27 - 00:03:42]
Yeah. The two most popular procedures are breast augmentation at 18 and liposuction 15. So rhinoplasty was a distant third at 9% of all plastic surgery.[00:03:42 - 00:03:44]
What is rhinoplasty for those.[00:03:44 - 00:03:48]
I'm sorry, familiar with those? Yeah. That's like a nose job.[00:03:50 - 00:03:53]
Breast augmentation is making breasts larger breasts.[00:03:54 - 00:03:54]
Yeah.[00:03:55 - 00:03:59]
And liposuction is taking fats out so.[00:03:59 - 00:04:04]
You don't look like, have like the jelly roll. Yeah, the glove handles things like that.[00:04:04 - 00:04:05]
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According to Smolak 2011, 40 to 60% of girls age 6 to 12 are concerned about their weight or becoming fat that young. Yes. And the number goes up as the age goes up. There's a kind of a one to one correlation as they get older into. To adult women. That number is 70 to 90% have some sort of body dissatisfaction, with weight being the number one cause of that dissatisfaction. According to another study, Gustan 2022, the journal of American Medical association, about 75% of the users of Semaglutide or Ozempic, that's that the weight loss shot.[00:04:54 - 00:04:55]
It's such a big deal.[00:04:55 - 00:05:21]
It's such a big deal. 75% are of this wildly popular drug. Are women. That's. That's really not surprise. According to the University of Arkansas, 90% of those with the condition anorexia nervosa, which is basically eating disorder. An eating disorder. You starve yourself. 90% of these people are women. Heidi, what is going on here?[00:05:21 - 00:05:53]
Well, I'm really interested back in the statistic. You just said that social media is such a low influencer in plastic surgery. It's gotta be an older study because I would think. Not that social media is promoting that you have plastic surgery surgery necessarily, but there are so many things out there that are talking about body image. I would think in some ways that would be a bigger influence.[00:05:53 - 00:06:05]
I think the interesting thing here is that the significant other played a role, the biggest role. They were. They were outsizing everything else.[00:06:05 - 00:06:06]
By far.[00:06:06 - 00:06:09]
What does my spouse or my boyfriend think?[00:06:09 - 00:06:10]
By far.[00:06:10 - 00:06:10]
Yeah.[00:06:11 - 00:06:14]
So what does this all have to do with your level of marriage IQ then?[00:06:15 - 00:06:28]
Well, I mean, that's a great question. I. It's like, why are we having us on a marriage IQ podcast? Well, it has a lot to do with marriage and relationships, and we're going to kind of jump into that.[00:06:28 - 00:06:33]
Right. So let's start first by defining what body image actually is.[00:06:33 - 00:06:34]
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So body image is the picture in my mind of what my body looks like. Irregardless. Of what it actually looks like. And this is made up of four different parts. First is my thoughts. What are the thoughts that go through my head about my body? Second, perceptions. How do I perceive my body in reference to what it actually looks like? So I may feel like I'm fat and I'm actually not, or I may think I'm thin and I'm actually not, Or I may think that I'm not beautiful and you may have different perceptions than I do about that. Then the third thing is feelings. What kind of feelings do I have about my body? And fourth is then behaviors. Because of the way I think about my body, I perceive my body and I feel about my body. What are the actions that come from that? So if I have really good body image, am I wearing clothing that accentuates different parts of it? If I have poor body image, am I wearing clothing to cover body parts? Am I not going places because I don't want to be seen in a swimsuit? Or I don't want to be in social gatherings where I would compare myself with other people? So all of those things combined make up our body image. And Brene Brown has some really good research on shame and a significant part of that.[00:08:18 - 00:08:19]
Who's Brene Brown?[00:08:19 - 00:09:19]
She is a social worker, Ph.D. out of the University of Houston who researches shame. Her very first book was called and I Thought it was Just Me, but it wasn't. Where she talks about shame in women, she found that 90% of the women who she was interviewing about shame actually talked about body shame and body image. So that went right along with your studies that said 70 to 90% of women have negative body image. To quote Brene Brown, she says shame is the intensely painful feeling or experience of believing that we're flawed and therefore unworthy of acceptance and belonging. So if 90% of women are are feeling shame over their bodies, feeling that our bodies are flawed, is there any hope and that we're unworthy? Like what that's not of acceptance and belonging.[00:09:19 - 00:09:20]
It like what is wrong.[00:09:21 - 00:09:23]
It impacts marriages so much.[00:09:24 - 00:09:39]
I guess when you're not feeling that you are are worthy or worth your anyone's love, it does tend to really right. Show in. In that relationship.[00:09:39 - 00:10:17]
Right. So we'll talk about that in just a second. But she teaches social work at the university where she's a professor, and she gives a really interesting assignment to women in her women's studies class where she has them all bring in their favorite fashion magazines or body image exercise, whatever kinds of magazines that they really enjoy and her first assignment is she gives them a few minutes to cut and paste using whatever magazines. Collectively, everyone brought the ideal woman, all the body parts of an ideal woman.[00:10:17 - 00:10:18]
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And the class members are very quick to cut eyes from one magazine and nose from another magazine, lips from another magazine, breasts or chest area from another magazine, hair, arms, waist, thighs, legs, all of that. And just cutting women up to make an ideal woman who really none of the women do, they like all of the parts of. They just want to pick, pick, pick, pick. And then the next assignment she gives them is to find and cut out from those same fashion magazines attributes or parts of the bodies that look like them.[00:11:02 - 00:11:03]
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Legs, breasts, bottom, their same size, their same height, even clothes that they were wearing that day. And they sit there unable to find. They can't do it in the magazines. So women are not being represented most often in true form in, in the fashion magazines. In some it's getting a little bit better.[00:11:28 - 00:11:40]
But they, but isn't it okay to want to try to look for an ideal to like, set as a goal to, to work toward? I mean, isn't that okay or to.[00:11:40 - 00:11:58]
An extent, but when we can't find any part of us that's being illustrated or demonstrated in magazines or on social media, it really does impact the way that we feel about our body and feel that our body is not good enough.[00:11:59 - 00:12:08]
Okay, well, that's really interesting. Like, it's because we're not just made up of little parts. Right?[00:12:08 - 00:12:09]
Right.[00:12:09 - 00:12:12]
We are all one, one person.[00:12:12 - 00:13:06]
Today I just thought I would jump on Instagram for a few minutes and just scroll my feed, which I hardly ever do. But within about two minutes I had posts come up, five posts on how to tone my body so others will see me as different, more toned, more fit within just a few days. So that came up. I had things come up on weight loss, on fat burning, tummy control, genes, gray hair coverage, wrinkle reduction, all kinds of things that had to do with issues specifically targeted at my age. So. But I know even for young women, they're getting similar types of messaging that make them feel dissatisfied with their bodies.[00:13:06 - 00:13:37]
And ready to spend money, ready to spend that cash. So in families, the family of origin can, can be an important part in developing a good or a bad body image, right? Very important. Especially I think mothers modeling for daughters. Those daughters really tend to pick up on all those both verbal and non verbal cues about mothers fretting over certain parts of their body that they don't like.[00:13:37 - 00:13:37]
Right.[00:13:37 - 00:13:39]
And daughters just pick that up.[00:13:39 - 00:14:11]
And I Have been accused of. I don't know if accused is the right word, but my daughters have told me I said things as they were growing up or by watching me look in the mirror or saying these jeans are too tight because my thighs are too big or whatever. They started picking up on things like that. I. I didn't know better at the time. But for those who are not moms yet, or who are younger mothers, really start watching what you say in front of your daughters.[00:14:11 - 00:14:16]
Of course, you, you get comments from a spouse, whether intentional, unintentional.[00:14:16 - 00:14:18]
That's a big one.[00:14:18 - 00:14:22]
Post pregnancy, these changes after having a child.[00:14:22 - 00:14:27]
Yeah. Your body just is so different in so many ways. And it's really hard to see that.[00:14:27 - 00:15:19]
I can be really, I think, really confusing for a woman. Yeah, I know. For men, probably some, some weight as well. Obesity, hair loss. It's a big one. Let's talk a little bit about. More specifically about body image and marriage. We kind of alluded to it earlier, but, you know, research shows that a wife's feelings about her body strongly influences that marital satisfaction for both her and her husband. So this, this requires some level of both internal and external self awareness. We want to really think of yourself as in a very positive manner. At the same time, maybe there are some things we can improve and be totally healthy about it.[00:15:19 - 00:15:20]
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We don't want to swing that pendulum one way or the other too far. It's that knowing those healthy boundaries and healthy practices where, hey, you know, I like my body, I think maybe let's work on it and prove it.[00:15:35 - 00:16:14]
Here are some of the ways that it might impact our marriage. Okay, first thing is it may impact our emotional intimacy with each other. Having negative body image may lead to feel less confident. I might feel more guarded. And that feeling of being unattractive or insecure in our relationship. Going back to what Brene Brown said about body image, it can create emotional distance between us. Yeah, I may do that to protect myself from what I perceive as your negative judgment of my body.[00:16:14 - 00:16:15]
Okay, I get that.[00:16:15 - 00:16:49]
The next thing it might do is impact our communication. So negative body talk or self criticism can lead to shifts in the focus of our conversations. I may perceive things that you say as you criticizing me or criticizing my body when maybe that's not even what you meant. But because it's become such a big issue in my own head, I may misinterpret things. And it has been shown to lead to more conflict in relationships.[00:16:49 - 00:16:55]
So maybe body image is really just a symptom of something deeper it could go either way.[00:16:55 - 00:17:53]
Right. Chicken or egg Again, in my own research, women whose husbands were viewing pornography or had other sexual compulsions judged themselves against what they thought he was looking at. And so the body image came after these feelings of comparison. The third thing is it can impact social dynamics. So I might avoid social gatherings because I'm so nervous about what you might think about my body. Those constant comparisons to others really create tension and insecurity in the relationship. The fourth thing is there's the pressure sometimes for the other partner to prop up the one who's having negative thoughts about their body. They may constantly feel the need to reassure their partner, or they may just be like, I am tired of having to prop you up when those insecurities are there.[00:17:54 - 00:18:28]
I guess that kind of reminds me of. Well, it's kind of vulnerable between you and I, where I, I feel like, I tell you, you look really good. You really look beautiful, sexy, and you, I don't know if you believe me. And, and from my perspective, I feel sometimes I. A little tired.[00:18:31 - 00:18:32]
What I was saying.[00:18:32 - 00:18:45]
Yeah. Saying that, like, I, I, it's like, does my wife believe me or, or not? And so I, I can see what they're saying in a way.[00:18:45 - 00:19:13]
Right. But I may have interpreted some of the things that you've said, like you've never come to me and say, I don't like your body, or I think you're fat or whatever. But you may make some little comments that I. Because my own insecurities interpret as, you were more attracted to my body at another time. Or I may have insecurities about aging.[00:19:14 - 00:19:17]
Yeah. That's just something that we continue to work on.[00:19:17 - 00:19:25]
Right. But those, those body insecurities do impact a marriage. And yeah, you get a little tired of that sometime.[00:19:25 - 00:19:55]
It'd be, it'd be nice to, to feel, I think, on both sides. Right. To that you feel more secure and I feel more secure about you believing me. But, you know, it's interesting, another study, this one done by Markey, a journal of sex roles. Basically, women were much more critical of their own body image and assume their husband agreed with that conclusion.[00:19:55 - 00:19:56]
Right.[00:19:56 - 00:20:15]
Versus in reality, the husband actually thought less, much less critically of his wife's body and more accepting of her body than she thought he was. I think that's really goes along with what we were just saying between you and I.[00:20:15 - 00:21:29]
Yes, I think that's a very important study because if women knew that, if they knew that the story they're telling themselves is most likely not correct and that their Husband doesn't feel like their body is not good enough, then they, they may show up different with more confidence. There was a study I found by Robert Carrolls that found that husband's view on his wife's weight, like if he thinks that she's overweight, if he has beliefs that or concerns about her weight, that can impact both partners satisfaction with the relationship and their sexual intimacy. This happens most often through comments and criticisms about her weight. A lot of the men in this study were critical of their wife's weight and of her value because of her weight. So this study shows that these factors can really significantly affect a partner's mental health and their overall dynamics within the relationship. Yeah, depression, anxiety, isolation, pulling away from him emotionally.[00:21:29 - 00:21:57]
Another study, 2022 Cardelli revealed that partner attractiveness is important. In other words, how attractive I feel you are and you to me. However, those negative comments from a spouse regarding body image, for example, comments I like a big thigh, small breast, overweight, actually diminishes all that positive, those positive vibes from feeling attractive.[00:21:58 - 00:22:11]
Right. You could give 50 positive comments and then one or two or three comments about things that you don't like about the body. And guess as a woman, which one I'm going to pay attention to.[00:22:11 - 00:22:14]
Yeah, yeah, well I, I already know this.[00:22:14 - 00:22:31]
Count all of the others well. And like we mentioned a minute ago, a wife's negative body image really does lead to some issues within the bedroom. Specifically, it can lead to infrequent or dissatisfying sex.[00:22:32 - 00:22:33]
Shocker.[00:22:33 - 00:23:18]
Yeah. A woman's sexual desire is largely dependent upon her feeling desirable. The more self critical a woman is about her body, the more anxious she'll feel about taking off her clothes, about being seen, about being touched. She may want to only have sex with the lights off. This anxiety makes it harder for her to relax and to be present at the moment. And it makes it a lot harder for her to feel arousal as well. Specific insecurities, better weight or the size of certain body parts are the strongest predictors of difficulties in reaching orgasm. Did you know that?[00:23:18 - 00:23:19]
I didn't.[00:23:19 - 00:23:30]
And so in order to have that deep meaningful sexual relationship, it really takes both partners feeling good about their bodies.[00:23:31 - 00:23:34]
So how do we help minimize these negative impacts?[00:23:34 - 00:24:01]
I think one of the first things to do is to be openly with each other about this. You and I have tried to be open somewhat with our discussions. I think more me feeling insecure, some body image negative thought processes. But you ask me sometimes do I have too many wrinkles or do you like the way My body looks. So I think you're concerned about it.[00:24:02 - 00:24:19]
Well, not near. I. Not nearly as much, I don't think. I. I think men just generally tend to be okay with their bodies, generally speaking. And it bears out in the studies.[00:24:19 - 00:24:30]
So I think agreeing in this conversation that we have together that we only will make statements about each other's bodies that are positive and true.[00:24:30 - 00:24:31]
Yeah, I like that.[00:24:31 - 00:24:38]
And then have integrity with that. Believe what our spouse says.[00:24:39 - 00:24:39]
Yes.[00:24:39 - 00:24:41]
If we have that agreement and work on it.[00:24:41 - 00:24:44]
And that sounds like a great agreement.[00:24:44 - 00:25:05]
Right. I think another thing that would help us with body image is don't only give compliments in relation to body, but give compliments about each other's minds or ideas or creativity or talents and gifts.[00:25:05 - 00:25:05]
Yeah.[00:25:05 - 00:25:13]
And if we can do that, then it takes a little bit of the weight off being focused that the only thing that you like about me is my body.[00:25:13 - 00:25:16]
I like that. Yeah.[00:25:16 - 00:26:38]
I think as we become more aware of negative self talk, just, oh, I'm starting to have those negative thoughts about my body. I need to flip that around. I'm recognizing it, I'm aware of it. And then I need to stop it. Especially before or during sex because that's like throwing a bucket of cold water on a sexual experience. I know there have been times I've looked in a mirror when dressing kind of sexy and then being harsh on my own body and it's like, I don't even want to do this. So being able to stop those thoughts. We are in control of our thoughts. We can change our thoughts. And it doesn't matter our size. We can still find things that we love about our bodies and focus on those. Another thing we can do is instead of focusing on our body and the insecurities we have with that, focus instead on our partner and what they're doing that turns us on or what turns us on about their body. That kind of shifts the responsibility for having to show up as a perfect being to what is the experience I'm having instead.[00:26:41 - 00:26:56]
So I think like just really being. It sounds to me like taking responsibility for yourself, being intentional, one of our four cornerstones with yourself. And really using a lot of insight.[00:26:56 - 00:26:56]
Yes.[00:26:56 - 00:27:05]
Right. Like is this real? Is what happening real? Are these things I'm thinking real? Cross checking.[00:27:05 - 00:27:05]
Right.[00:27:06 - 00:27:07]
Learning insight.[00:27:07 - 00:28:01]
Right. And speaking of in being intentional, I think like you mentioned earlier, on committing to intentionally caring for our bodies, both of us, in very intentional and healthy ways, investing in our health, like healthy eating, drinking lots of water, exercising, and we may even do that together, getting Lots of sunshine, right? Meditation and mindfulness are two of the biggest things that have helped me learn to be more appreciative of my body. In. In meditations, they have body scans where you just go from your toes all the way to your head and thinking of every single body part and the magnificence of how wonderful what every part of my body does, that really helped me shut down a lot of that negative body chatter.[00:28:01 - 00:28:03]
And I like that.[00:28:03 - 00:28:26]
Oh, my gosh. My toes do amazing things. My ankles do amazing things. Every part of our bodies. But if you're interested in some meditations like that, YouTube has a lot insight Time has some. The Calm app and headspace. If you just type in body image meditations, all of those resources have some great ones.[00:28:26 - 00:28:38]
I think learning how to meditate is one of the most important things that you can do to, to tackle this, especially mindfulness meditation.[00:28:38 - 00:28:58]
Because in mindfulness, you are being non judgmental. You're being fully present. So instead of the thought bubble above your head about all the negative things you're paying attention to, what can I hear? What can I see? How do I feel? What can I smell? How can I taste?[00:28:58 - 00:29:00]
No judgment pulling into the body, totally neutral.[00:29:01 - 00:29:10]
Just like, oh, this is the experience that I'm having. And that helps so much with negative body image.[00:29:10 - 00:29:24]
So what can we do this week as an individual? What. What can we do here? What? Think about what parts of your own body are you proud of? What am I proud of? What part of my body. What parts of my body function really well?[00:29:24 - 00:29:42]
And what distorted views do I have about my body? What am I telling myself about my body? That is not true. That I'm blowing out of proportion. And maybe writing down both so we have a reference. When we start having those thoughts, we can look back at what part of.[00:29:42 - 00:29:51]
The sexual experience am I really good at? Think about those things too. Just these, these positive things this week.[00:29:51 - 00:30:03]
What do you think, Scott, is a way that a husband could support his wife or a wife could support her husband if negative body image is an issue?[00:30:04 - 00:30:08]
Well, that's probably one of the things we can do this week as a couple.[00:30:08 - 00:30:08]
Okay.[00:30:08 - 00:30:39]
I think take a mindful walk together. Just notice around you the clouds, the sky, the trees, if there are any. Just don't talk about things that are not right in front of you. It allows you to be right there. Presence, neutral, non judgmental. That will help you in your conversations to talk to each other neutrally, non judgmentally.[00:30:39 - 00:30:41]
What else would be helpful?[00:30:41 - 00:31:09]
Well, I think talking about it in a way that both you and I feel that you can open up and become vulnerable with me, to feel safe with me and I can feel safe with you that you won't overreact about some. Some of the struggles you might have. Well, and the other thing too, as we talked earlier, is learn how to. To trust when I say, hey, you look really good, you're hot, you're sexy.[00:31:09 - 00:31:10]
Right?[00:31:10 - 00:31:34]
To. To trust. And that I also am speaking the truth. That I can talk with myself and be. Feel really secure in saying that. How does this all relate back to our four cornerstones? We talked a little bit earlier about how intentionality really being intentional about sitting with yourself, talking with yourself and finding.[00:31:34 - 00:31:39]
Out about yourself and being intentional about embracing a healthy lifestyle.[00:31:40 - 00:31:47]
Yep. Healthy lifestyle, learning insight. Where am I wrong? Where are my thought processes maybe going off track?[00:31:48 - 00:31:49]
And what is more true?[00:31:49 - 00:31:50]
What is more true?[00:31:50 - 00:32:36]
I think identity really folds into this as well because we have developed in our minds a part of our identity related to our body that may be negative. And it's important on those parts of our identity that are not serving us well anymore to create some new identity. New parts of our identity that are more true and more accurate, that are more indicative of who we really are. And celebrating our body, looking at the wonderful, magnificent, miraculous things that our body does and embracing that as part of our identity, especially as a woman, will be important.[00:32:36 - 00:32:50]
Well, I think this naturally folds into having a more intimate experience when, when we're able to. To discuss with each other on a level that's. That's intimate and honest.[00:32:50 - 00:32:51]
Yeah.[00:32:51 - 00:32:54]
And honest. Thank you for joining us this week.[00:32:54 - 00:33:04]
Hope that you and your spouse have some really great conversations about body image and that you have some great conversations with yourself about it. And we'll see you next week.[00:33:04 - 00:33:15]
Bye Bye. And remember, the intelligent spouse knows that to change from a stinky to a scintillating marriage first requires a change in themselves.[00:33:15 - 00:33:56]
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