Episode 102 -Humor Me, Honey: How to Laugh Without Crossing the Line with Dr. Gina Barreca
Laughter, Stories, and Marriage: How Humor Can Transform Your Relationship
Marriage isn’t just about love it’s about connection, communication, and yes, even laughter. In a recent episode of Marriage IQ, we had the joy of chatting with the brilliant Dr. Gina Barreca, a professor, author, and humor expert, about how laughter shapes relationships.
Whether you’re a newlywed or decades in, humor is a secret superpower in marriage. And Gina’s insights show that it’s not just about telling jokes it’s about telling stories, connecting deeply, and even transforming difficult moments into opportunities for growth.
Women Don’t Tell Jokes They Tell Stories
One of the most fascinating parts of our conversation with Gina was her perspective on humor and gender. Women, she explains, often don’t tell traditional jokes they tell stories. And those stories? They’re rich, relational, and deeply human.
Think about it: a woman shares something funny that happened during her day. It’s not a punchline. It’s a narrative filled with insight, timing, and emotion. The humor comes from the story itself, from shared experience, and from recognizing, “I’m not alone in this moment.”
Gina notes that this is why women’s laughter often resonates differently. In her words, there’s always laughter coming out of the ladies’ room but rarely from the men’s room. Why? Women carry stories, bonds, and shared experiences with them, while men often express humor in the form of short, standalone jokes.
Four Cornerstones of a Smart Marriage
At Marriage IQ, we talk a lot about intentional growth in marriage. Gina’s ideas about humor connect beautifully with our four cornerstones:
Identity: Knowing yourself and being clear about who you are is essential. Humor can reveal your authentic self to your partner and create space for mutual understanding.
Intentionality: Taking time to reflect on your life and your relationship allows humor to be purposeful, not accidental.
Insight: Learning from mistakes and sometimes laughing at them helps couples navigate challenges with grace.
Intimacy: Humor creates closeness. Shared laughter bonds couples in ways that words alone often cannot.
When Humor Heals and When It Hurts
Humor is a delicate balance. Gina describes it as a third rail: powerful, illuminating, and sometimes dangerous. A well-timed story can diffuse tension, make someone feel seen, or transform a stressful moment into a shared laugh. But humor can also hurt if it’s used carelessly.
That’s why self-deprecating humor is so effective. By making yourself the target in a safe, confident way, you invite others to relax and connect, without attacking anyone else. It’s a skill, a dance, and yes, sometimes it’s alchemy. Humor can take a crisis, insecurity, or tragedy and transform it into a story that’s yours to own and share.
Humor in Everyday Marriage
So, how do you actually bring more laughter into your marriage? Here are a few takeaways from Gina’s wisdom:
Share stories, not just jokes: Talk about your day, the funny little things, or something that went unexpectedly.
Laugh at yourself: Lighten tension by making your own mishaps part of the story.
Recognize timing and context: Avoid humor during highly sensitive moments. If someone is hurting, humor can backfire.
Create shared rituals of laughter: Watch a funny show, go to a comedy night, or just enjoy silly conversations together.
Even something as simple as a shared laugh over coffee in the morning can become a powerful glue in your relationship.
Gina’s New Book: Humor Across Life
Dr. Barreca recently released Gina School, a beautifully illustrated book that blends humor, storytelling, and life lessons. It’s not just for academic readers it’s for anyone who wants to grow, laugh, and connect with others. Gina describes humor in her book as alchemy: turning life’s challenges into stories, conferring value where it might otherwise be overlooked.
For couples, this is particularly powerful. Humor isn’t just entertainment; it’s a tool for resilience, empathy, and intimacy.
Your Turn: Bringing Humor Into Marriage
We hope this episode inspires you to add more laughter to your relationship. And if you want a little extra nudge, Marriage IQ offers weekly tips to help couples grow closer and laugh more. Sign up on marriageiq.com and you’ll even be entered to win one of five date night packages a perfect opportunity to enjoy humor and connection together.
Marriage is serious but it’s also joyful, messy, and hilarious. By embracing stories, intentionality, and laughter, you can transform your marriage from ordinary to scintillating.
Marriage IQ Tip: Next time something funny happens, resist summarizing it as a joke. Tell the story. Laugh together. You might be surprised how much closer it brings you.
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Speaker 2
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Speaker 3
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Unpacking Humor with Gina and Our Four Marriage Cornerstones
So all right, now on to Part 2 of our interview with Gina Bereka.
In this part of the interview we had with her, we're going to be talking more about humor.
That has been a big part of her research as a professor and part of what she writes a lot about.
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And she is so good at bringing humor into circumstances.
In this part of the episode, she's sharing with us how humor can impact relationships, how men and women approach humor differently, and how we can use humor to overcome difficult circumstances.
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So here we go.
Welcome again to Gina Baraka.
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Speaker 2
Getting back to the whole thing about expressing ourselves precisely that that really kind of feeds into our four cornerstones here on Marriage IQ.
These are four solid cornerstones that we see.
We have a marriage podcast, but it's really about us, about myself.
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How can I become a better person?
Because if I become a better person, our marriage becomes better.
And they all start with I.
We did that on purpose.
Identity.
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If we learn to speak a language of clarity, we learn more about who we are, right?
We want to become.
It's really important for people who want to have success in life to define what they're after and who they are, right?
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And then intentionality, we got to sit down with ourselves.
We tell people all the time, sit down with yourself.
Have a meeting with yourself.
People say, well, that's weird.
That's but no, that's actually essential to be intentional with your life.
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Sit down, make plans, insight.
That's the third cornerstone.
Learning from our mistakes, learning from wow, OK, what role did I play in this blow up?
Like how did this happen?
That's insight.
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And then of course, intimacy is really the 4th cornerstone that brings it all together because that's where the magic happens in that relationship as we learn these things.
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Speaker 1
Right, because that was the real gift.
That was the book.
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Exploring Why Women Share Stories and Men Tell Jokes
So you are an expert at humor like we've seen and like you've explained in your childhood.
For me, who struggles with, I think I say sometimes I laugh responsibly and I am only funny on occasion.
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When I am, I'm pretty funny, but it's only on occasion.
What tips can you have on how as a woman to bring more humor into marriage?
In what areas does that benefit marriage?
How does that make a difference?
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Speaker 1
Great question.
And I think that again, going back to sort of family of origin stories, each family has a laughter and some families laugh tracks encourage people again to keep quiet, to internalize their responses.
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And especially for families that might have very traditional gender role expectations.
Certainly my family did.
And you know, I, I was raised to be a good girl and good girls don't laugh with their mouths open.
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Good girls aren't funny.
Good girls laugh at the jokes of other people.
Good girls are like cheerleaders, like, they're not the one playing in the field.
They're they have pow pounds on the side.
But one of the things that I noticed growing up and it's been sort of validated by my life as an adult, is this idea that women have no sense of humor.
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I mean, I grew up here and women, oh, women have no sense of humor.
Women here, Oh, you're so sensitive.
Oh, you can't.
And women can't tell a joke.
Women not only can't tell a joke, we will ruin jokes for others, right?
Women who remember everything.
We remember the names of our best friend's dog from high school.
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We remember everybody's birthdays, right?
I mean, birthdays I think for the most part would be lost to history if women were not doing kinship patterns and remembering everybody's birthday.
So we remember everything.
But somehow women can't remember joke.
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No, most of the jokes that are around there are not in our interest to remember.
It is not in the woman's interest to remember 2 blondes walk into a bar with a 12 inch pianist.
It is not in our interest that is not going to make our lives better to haul around that joke.
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So women will go up the guys and say, hey, all right, Scott, Scott, remember we heard that joke the other night?
That was really funny.
That was that joke.
Tell that one.
Tell them that when they're going to like it, tell that one about the shrimp and that'll scan go.
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I I can't tell that one about the shrimp because shrimp is the punchline.
Don't worry.
Now I can't because you said the punchline.
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Well, it is that because you know what?
Women don't tell jokes.
Women tell stories.
Her if a woman says, I have something really funny to tell you, should I tell you a joke?
Should I tell you something that happened?
And if a woman says, I guess I'm going to tell you, if you're smart, you'll sit down.
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You couldn't going to be there a long, long time, right?
She says, OK, because he's going all right.
You know, there was this elephant that and she's going, OK, this is something really funny.
I was on the highway the other day and I thought, you know, I'm going to get myself a cup of coffee.
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And then I'm thinking I really, you know, I've got to cut down the caffeine.
I'm just too much with the caffeine and and somebody else comes over and goes, you know, what does decaf now?
Decaf is pretty good.
Some other woman is coming over going green tea, have green tea.
It's really good for you.
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It's healthy.
Another woman is coming over going.
I have coupons.
I have coupons by more and more cells, special medicinal teeth and somebody's coming over and support guy has been listening.
What's the funny part?
And we were like, I don't know.
She was like she was going to get into up and go off it.
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And it's not like there that's there was always laughter coming out of the lady's room.
Never noticed that.
There's always laughter coming out of the lacious room.
One thing I learned about going to an all male school, there is rarely laughter coming out of the men's room.
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There is rarely laughter got these guys peeing or troff.
They have no evidence going on which and are in the ladies room bonding because we carry everything we need with us in a £500 purse.
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And so when he comes in and says I have a headache, somebody who's opening the bag saying aspirin, Motrin, Tylenol, is it allergy related?
I have Sudafed, I have ex fed.
I mean, we are bonding immediately.
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We have different, I mean of the two of you talked about that we have different ways of communicating and but women are laughing together, but it's not because it's a joke.
Women are laughing.
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Speaker 2
Not a punch line.
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Speaker 1
Not a punch line.
It's because women are laughing together.
Because we realize we're not nuts and we're not alone.
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Speaker 3
I love that different perspective on humor.
That's really great.
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Navigating the Line Between Healing and Harmful Humor
Well, I will have to say I'm going to back up here.
Heidi is funny, but it's like a lightning strike.
You never know when it's coming.
And when it comes, it's fast and furious.
And I'm like, Oh my gosh, I got to just let everything go and let her have it because she's funny right now.
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And I'm just going to stand back and watch, but.
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Speaker 3
Scott and our four kids are all pretty witty.
Most of them are able to just carry on in witty ways that I kind of admire and wish that that was me.
It's not.
But I love that if I can tell stories, or if I can just be with people that I just met and find things to enjoy and laugh about together, that that's also a part of humor.
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Speaker 1
Absolutely.
And I think that humor, that kind of all these kinds of humor can be healing, can be a way to tell a story that's dangerous.
Humor, as I have to talk about in genius school, there are several parts about humor.
And it's almost Scott, what you were just saying is humor is like a third rail.
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It's incredibly powerful.
And sometimes it gets to the heart of the matter and immediately it sort of illuminates their sparks and splashes and light, and sometimes it'll kill you.
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I mean, humor can all you know, but incredibly harmful and dangerous.
I mean humor.
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Speaker 3
In what way?
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Speaker 1
Humor can be very hurtful.
I mean, people who use humor well rarely use it as a weapon except in self-defense.
It's almost like Tai chi or some kind of martial art where you take somebody's certain negative energy that's coming at you and you play it back at them.
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And again, that's often been the women's role or a role of somebody who's in a less authoritative position.
So that, for example, the first woman to ever work at the White House as a press secretary was a woman named Liz Carpenter.
And Liz Carpenter wrote a block about her time at the Johnson administration.
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And a statesman Washington guy came up into that.
Just kidding, Liz, just come on, You know, just joking sort of way came up and said, loved your butt, Liz, who wrote it for you?
And it was Arthur Schlesinger Junior who asked her that instead of like, going, oh, why are you trying to attack?
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Speaker 3
Me, I put.
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Speaker 1
So much myself into that she goes.
So glad you liked the book, Arthur, who read it to you?
And now then it says, you know what, if we're going to play, we're both going to play.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, no, I think that's that's a great point because I think if somebody tries to infuse humor into a really serious discussion, maybe, you know, we're talking about trauma or betrayal, I can backfire pretty bad.
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And so just learning how to learn this language, This is really our podcast is a language learning.
That's what we.
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Speaker 3
Sarcasm.
I was talking to a friend recently that her grandchildren and one of her children sit around the table and they're being funny about her and they're all laughing.
They're all having a good time, but she's not.
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It's hurtful.
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Speaker 2
Well, I found too, when I try to use humor with other people, I always direct it toward myself.
I find that everyone loves that because I'm not making fun of anyone.
I'm making fun of myself.
I feel strong about myself.
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I don't feel like I'm attacking myself.
And everyone has a good time, including me, because I know like you know, I because I know I know.
At the end of the day, I'm just a human like you guys.
And I'm diffusing all that that tension from expectation of not being human and to myself.
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I'll take the hit.
I don't care.
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Speaker 1
And, and I think that there are there are two things around with that.
The first thing I would say about the friend who feels the victim of her family's sarcasm right again, that's setting up the laugh track so that she's the target.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, that's unhelp.
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Speaker 1
Yeah.
And when somebody, and again, when I do these workshops, when I talk about humor, when somebody says, what if somebody tells me, it says something to me that I find really aggressive or tells a joke or tells a story that I find really hurtful.
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And even if it's not about me, I could see that it's hurting somebody else.
What can I do rather than get into an argument?
And I find that you need to react to it because otherwise you're up all night writing little notes on a pad next to the bed.
I should have said this and I should have said this.
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And it occupies space in your head that could be used better.
So when you said something that really you, you, you don't want to do the fake laughter and just let it go.
You say, you know what?
I'll forgive you for telling me that story if you forgive me for not laughing.
And it registers.
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It says you cross the line like this is not OK and I'm not going to laugh.
But you don't get into a whole argument.
You just you let you have your voice heard.
And again, it's articulated or something it is putting into language something that makes y'all like you're really there.
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And then the idea about using self deprecating humor is, is often just as you said, very useful.
You know, it can, it can make people feel attached to you because you're showing your vulnerability as well as showing your strength.
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But you have to make sure again, that you're in a powerful enough position.
Again, women or people who were not in powerful positions will go, you know, on such a dense, I do this, I do, you know, whenever.
And they're making fun of themselves and then people around them, if they don't know, they might go, oh, she's a dense getting it as a joke.
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Speaker 2
OK.
So you need to be kind of in a a position where kind of a respect, right and you take on that self deprecating role.
That's a good point, Very perspective.
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Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah.
So it really is.
If you're in a vulnerable position, you can't afford to do that.
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Discovering Humor's Transformative Power and Gina's New Book
I see, you know, this is a great thing to talk about humor because it's very timely for my birthday, my wife Heidi, she said because we talk about this, we talk about this in our every week in our couples council.
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How can we bring more humor into our lives?
This is important.
And so for my birthday, she surprised me with two tickets.
We're going tonight to see Nate Bargatzi.
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Speaker 1
Oh, I love Nate Bargatzi.
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Speaker 2
Hold on.
Yeah.
So we're going to think about this interview as we're.
They're laughing our heads off tonight with Nate.
And I'm so appreciative to my wife for thinking of how she could both give me a birthday present and also instill more humor.
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So thank you.
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Speaker 3
Because I love you so much.
That's.
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Speaker 1
Wonderful.
And for Godsy is the perfect example of a comic.
I mean, a brilliant comic.
Brilliant.
Oh, craft stories.
It's not jokes, right?
Yeah, they're they're short stories.
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The mechanics behind the stories reach into your heart.
They're memorable and funny because he's giving you a piece of stuff that you take away.
I envy you.
You'll have a wonderful time.
Happy birthday, and it's humor you can share.
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I mean, that's wonderful.
Going to see being present as somebody's up there doing that for real is just that's magnificent.
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Speaker 3
Yeah, we have just loved our time with you today.
It's been delightful.
I would love to give you just a minute in closing to share about your book that was just released and what are some of the biggest takeaways in that that can pertain to marriage?
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Why would people who listen to us want to buy your book and where can they find more of what you do?
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Speaker 1
Thank you very much for asking about Gina School.
So yeah, Gina School just came out.
It's published by Wonderful Press.
It is available anywhere that you get your books.
You can get it on indie bound.
You can get it all in Amazon, although it's sold out on Amazon.
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So they're going into another printing and there's a lot about relationships.
I I believe that the people who love what you do would also love to to take a look at this.
Part of it is about age and growing.
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I wouldn't say older together, but growing together as we go through life.
Part of it is about humor.
So again, it's beautifully illustrated.
It's a former student mind.
It was an artist every page, so it was a real collaboration.
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And again, learning how to speak different languages because his was the language of image and mine's words was fun across, you know, generational difference.
He's 27, you know, comes from a very different world.
We have to make all of this work.
So going back to the idea of humor, humor is a show.
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So I was just discussing humor.
It's a show of both strength and vulnerability.
We're willing to make the first move, but you are trusting the response of your listener.
So I think that that's an important idea.
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I think that in terms of what we love it he did John Gibbet did such a wonderful idea with get the images to illustrate the words.
So this is lesson 68.
Some things are better the second time around.
This include pasta, Turkey and love.
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Help me.
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Speaker 3
God's my second shot at love and he's been amazing.
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Speaker 1
Sometimes it's just what we need to do.
There's another one humor.
One more humor is alchemy.
Humor is alchemy transforming a crisis, insecurity, or tragedy.
It's comedy confers a validity on a life, on something in a life that is otherwise denied value.
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Or I mean it so that you can make a story out of it.
You get your deposit, it becomes yours.
You get a return.
So thank you both very much.
What a fun conversation.
It's been great.
How enjoyable.
Thank you.
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Speaker 2
Do you have a website?
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Speaker 1
Yes, actually people can find me at ginabarreca.com.
That's GINABARRECA, and I write for Psychology Today, the University of Connecticut.
So I'm using a phone and I answer emails.
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Speaker 2
Well, thanks so much, Gina.
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Speaker 3
Thanks for being with us.
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Speaker 1
Add me on again.
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Speaker 3
Will do.
Let us know when your next book comes out.
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Speaker 2
Thank you.
Thank you for joining us today on Marriage IQ.
We hope that you've been able to learn from Gina and our discussion today to have a more scintillating marriage.
Remember that the intelligence spouse knows that to change from a stinky to a scintillating marriage first requires a change in themselves.
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Speaker 3
And everybody will see you next week on another exciting episode of.
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Speaker 2
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