Episode 108 : Marriage in Midlife: How to Stay Connected When Life Gets Complicated
Empty Nesting Isn’t the End of Parenting It’s a Redefinition
When kids leave home, most parents expect the quiet.
What they don’t expect is how disorienting the shift can feel. You’re no longer the daily decision-maker, problem-solver, or protector but you don’t stop caring, worrying, or feeling everything just as deeply.
In this episode of Marriage IQ, Rick and Clancy Denton of The Loud Quiet podcast put words to something many couples struggle to articulate: empty nesting isn’t about letting go of your kids. It’s about learning how to relate to them differently without losing yourself or your marriage in the process.
From Fixer to Mentor: The Hardest Parenting Transition
One of the biggest challenges in the empty nest years is resisting the urge to fix everything.
Clancy shared a story many parents especially mothers will instantly recognize. When her daughter faced a painful roommate situation during freshman year, every instinct screamed, Get on a plane. Handle it. Protect her.
That urge doesn’t disappear just because your child is legally an adult.
But as Rick pointed out, this is where the role shift becomes critical. You are no longer the authority. You are the mentor, the coach, the safe place to land when invited.
That requires a level of emotional restraint most parents were never trained for.
Instead of giving advice automatically, Rick and Clancy learned to ask:
“Do you want to vent, or do you want input?”
“Do you want empathy, or solutions?”
It’s the same skill that strengthens marriages and it turns out it strengthens relationships with adult children too.
Letting your kids feel their own emotions, solve their own problems, and experience natural consequences isn’t abandonment. It’s respect.
And it’s hard.
Why Parents Carry More Emotion Than They Realize
One of the most insightful moments of the conversation was realizing how deeply parents internalize their children’s emotions often without noticing it.
When a child is anxious, parents feel anxious.
When a child is disappointed, parents feel disappointed.
When something goes wrong, it can hijack an entire day or week emotionally.
Rick admitted he didn’t even realize how much he was absorbing until Clancy named it out loud.
This emotional carryover doesn’t just affect individuals. It spills directly into the marriage.
When every dinner conversation revolves around kids’ struggles, decisions, or drama, couples can slowly disappear from their own relationship.
Awareness is the first step. You can’t set boundaries around something you haven’t named.
The Sandwich Generation: When Empty Nesting Gets Complicated
There’s a myth that once kids leave, life gets simple.
For many couples, the opposite is true.
Rick and Clancy described what it’s like to be part of the “sandwich generation” still emotionally connected to adult children while also supporting aging parents. In their case, navigating Alzheimer’s, caregiving logistics, estate responsibilities, and grief all happened during the early empty-nest years.
The emotional load was heavy, even when they weren’t physically present.
What made it especially challenging was how easily those responsibilities consumed everything. Conversations, vacations, date nights nothing felt untouched.
That’s when Clancy recognized something had to change.
Not because caregiving wasn’t important but because their marriage couldn’t survive if it was never protected.
Boundaries Aren’t Rejection They’re Protection
One of the most powerful lessons from this episode is that boundaries don’t mean you care less.
They mean you care wisely.
Rick and Clancy had to intentionally limit when and how much caregiving talk entered their daily life. They had to decide:
When is this important to focus on?
When do we set it down and focus on us?
Without those boundaries, the emotional squeeze of the sandwich generation would have dominated their marriage.
They also benefited from physical distance with their kids natural boundaries that prevented constant drop-ins and allowed space for everyone to live their own lives.
For couples whose adult children live nearby, those boundaries may need to be spoken instead of assumed.
Either way, thriving requires intention.
Empty Nesting Isn’t Responsibility-Free But It Can Be Marriage-Rich
One of the most refreshing truths Rick shared was this: empty nesting doesn’t erase life’s responsibilities.
Money concerns don’t disappear.
Family issues don’t vanish.
Stress doesn’t magically resolve.
But what does change is the opportunity to decide how much space those responsibilities take up.
Rick and Clancy recently realized they hadn’t taken a truly agenda-free vacation together in years. So they did something radical they rested.
No schedules. No productivity. Just presence.
That kind of space requires insight, self-awareness, and permission to prioritize the marriage without guilt.
And yes sometimes it also includes the freedom to run naked through the house.
A New Season Requires New Skills
Empty nesting isn’t about going backward to who you were before kids.
It’s about becoming something new together.
That means redefining roles with your children, protecting your emotional energy, setting boundaries with extended family, and choosing each other on purpose.
The couples who thrive aren’t the ones who avoid grief, stress, or responsibility.
They’re the ones who notice it, talk about it, and refuse to let it quietly erode their connection.
Because a scintillating marriage doesn’t happen by accident especially in this season.
It happens when two people decide that even in the loud quiet, their relationship still matters.
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Hello everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Marriage IQ.
We're really happy to have you back with us again today.
And we're really happy to have Rick and Clancy Denton, our neighbors here, just a few miles up just.
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Speaker 3
Down the street, yeah.
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Speaker 1
We really enjoyed our first part of this episode with them, where we talked about how to navigate those early days of empty nester hood, how to work with adult children without telling them what to do, and now we're going to see what other wisdom they have for us.
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The Dentons have a podcast called The Loud Quiet dedicated specifically to couples who are navigating those empty last years, and they are just a lot of fun.
We really enjoyed the first part of this episode, so we're going to dive right in and hope that you will find lots of stuff that you can relate to on Part 2 of this episode.
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So let's dive in.
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Speaker 3
Let's go woo.
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Speaker 1
Hoo, so relationships with our kids change a little bit, in our opinion, when kids leave home.
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Shifting from Parent to Mentor for Your Adult Kids
Can you tell us how you've navigated that in the best possible way as empty nesters?
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Speaker 2
Yes.
So we have our children, I'm sure as y'alls are completely different children.
We have one that was the frat row, you know, so when we would go visit him, we were at all the frat parties and going down Mill Street, if you know what that is.
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Speaker 1
Then we do.
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Speaker 2
Yes.
So yes, uh huh.
So we have hit all those bars and clubs.
Our other one is very doesn't do any of that stuff.
She was a cheerleader dancer her whole life.
She didn't want anything to do with any more sorority type organizations.
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So she's very quiet, still loves to have fun, but does not drink or do any of that kind of stuff.
So they are just total opposites and so we approach when we visit them completely opposite ways.
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I had a very hard time because our daughter went through a horrible situation with her first roommate freshman year.
That was a big struggle for me to not hop on a plane and go out there and take care of it myself.
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I mean I.
3:31
Speaker 4
Might have involved a shovel, so I'm glad she didn't get on that.
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Speaker 3
Plane, mother, child.
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Speaker 1
'S Mama bear coming out?
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Speaker 2
Yes, and Rick was very bothered by it too.
But I was literally about to book a flight and go out out there and have some words.
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Speaker 4
Well, I love that example is the one that you're bringing into this because I think it shows a key part of relating to your adult kids.
And these are still one of us in law school ones in undergrad.
We still view them as our adult kids.
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And it's you no longer are quote in charge.
You no longer are the dictated formal authority.
You are there to mentor.
You were there to coach, you are there to offer advice when that advice is asked of you.
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And that was a shift for both of us, I think.
I feel like I migrated further down that path and faster than you did.
And a lot of that very well could be the Mama bear thing that we're describing there.
But that's really hard to choose to bite your tongue and ask those questions of do you want to know what I think?
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Do you want to just vent?
A lot of it is similar to the lessons that you have to learn early on in marriage of looking at, for me, looking at my wife and saying do you want to just vent or do you want my advice?
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Speaker 1
And we're trying.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, and we did.
And in the end she handled it herself.
But, and I think this is probably a mom thing, I would take on my kids emotions from the time they were little.
You know, if they were hurting, I was hurting.
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If they were upset, I was upset.
And I could internally feel that.
And I've told Rick over the past two years, I can feel that I'm letting some of that go.
You want to be the fixer, but they have to learn how to fix these things on their own.
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Speaker 4
And I think I've had a little bit of that, too.
I just didn't realize that.
I think Clancy did a really good job of verbalizing it when she was starting to feel.
That is, I would find myself really sad when T was telling these stories, or I'd be angry if Tanner didn't get the result that he had hoped to get or whatever.
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They were experienced, but I didn't quite realize it.
And I think it was Clancy's inside of hey, they need to feel their emotions.
It's OK for us to kind of react and understand it, but it's their life to live.
I was better at just saying, hey, I'm not going to be involved.
I'm going to, you know, let them make their own decisions, make their own path, be there if they have questions.
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That was easier for me, but I didn't even realize.
And I think that's true of a lot of emptiness couples, how much you internalize those emotions subconsciously.
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Speaker 1
I think we've had similar things in our experience.
Scott is better able to just kind of step back and let them live their lives.
But I have that neuro pathway formed over many years and I finally.
6:29
Speaker 3
How dare you stereotype us?
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Speaker 1
I finally figured out, I have to say, do you just want me to listen?
Do you want empathy or do you want solutions?
Because my go to is solutions.
Here's what you need to do.
The Mama and me teaching telling.
But you're right, those emotions that they feel impact so much as wanting to solve their problems.
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And I love, Rick, how you said we just have to stand back, let them figure things, outlet them, live their lives unless they come to us for counsel.
That's really fantastic.
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Speaker 4
And I do want to make sure that the other we're not just abandoning our kids and no one's even saying that.
But I'll give an example of where the other side of it sort of held true.
Tanner was going to be moving from an apartment to a town home in Dallas.
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He was actually, I had that wrong.
Tanner was moving into his first apartment there in Dallas and he was still working in Tempe and Clancy really wanted to have a great apartment for him and it well furnished and tastefully decorated and all that sort of thing.
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And I kept saying, hey, he's an adult kid.
I had ATV that sat on the floor with used furniture and all that when I had my first apartment.
Why don't we just do that?
And I still remember you saying he trusts me.
And this was a.
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Speaker 3
Look, man, I don't think we're ever going to figure it out.
We could talk for 1000 episodes on this one thing, and I don't think we'll ever get it figured out.
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Speaker 4
Well, he got his apartment tastefully decorated in spite of me saying.
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Speaker 3
He's tastefully decorated, trust me.
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Speaker 1
That's.
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Speaker 4
Part without him having to do anything he was out there in Arizona it's.
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Speaker 1
Part of the ritual of setting our kids up for success.
Scott wanted to drop our son off, leave his boxes and bags and suitcases at the foot of his bed.
And I'm like, no, we've got to get.
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Speaker 3
He'll survive if he'll survive.
Brush it off dude.
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Speaker 1
But it's my last opportunity in this stage of his life to make a difference.
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Speaker 2
That is the mom.
That is the mom.
And he kept pushing back on me.
He's like, don't you think Tanner wants input on?
That's when I say I know him.
I know what he likes.
You know, I still shop.
If I'm in a store and I see something I know he'll like, I still get it and take it to him.
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So I know this kid and yes, I would still send him pictures.
Do you like this or this and get his approved?
But yes, it was all very nicely set up for him when he arrived.
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Speaker 3
I have a question then.
Clancy, do you know Rick as well as your son?
Do you know what he likes?
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Speaker 2
Yes, I can say yes on that.
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Speaker 3
Well, that's awesome.
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Speaker 2
Ask him the last time he's bought a piece of clothing, calling 1995.
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Speaker 4
Is there anything on my body?
Oh wait, yes, these socks that I had to buy because I forgot to pack socks on the last trip.
Those were the last purchase that I have made.
She knows what kind of pillows I like on couches.
None.
And I've lost that battle years ago.
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You.
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Speaker 1
Just throw them off.
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The Challenges of the Sandwich Generation on Empty Nesters
Well, this is all fun, but I do want to drive home this point.
So that's very real about between mother and child.
And I think a lot of people have to, a lot of mothers might need to think about it more really intentionally.
Like, wow, it's just us.
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There's no kids running around and no kids to take to soccer and football and whatever it is that we did for so many years.
But I mean, it is a very, very different transition.
I think it's hard for a lot of people.
It was hard for us.
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Well, for a month I was quite depressed.
I was depressed.
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Speaker 1
Actually, I started school so.
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Speaker 3
I was depressed and it life sucked for a month and then I realized that things could be a whole lot better if we just were intentional like y'all about our lives.
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It's wonderful to think about.
We can travel On this date and we don't.
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Speaker 4
We just got back from a trip that was a Tuesday to Friday trip.
And that's the kind of thing you could not do.
Well, it was not great to do when you had kids in the house.
And I will tell you, one of the best empty nest travel tip is the fact that you can do it when no one else is.
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Do you want to go to Mexico in October?
Go to Mexico in October.
Do you want to go to Greece when no one else is there?
Go to Greece.
It's wonderful not to be tied to an academic calendar.
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Speaker 3
Yeah, it's cheaper too.
11:06
Speaker 4
100% yes, it's.
11:09
Speaker 1
Really cool.
So I know the two of you talk sometimes about the sandwich generation, and that is something that we've experienced here in our own lives lately.
Would you explain what that is to people and how you navigate that, those empty nesters?
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Speaker 2
So the sandwich generation, which is a term that we had come across sometime when we were doing an episode, basically you're stuck in between still parenting your adult children to some degree, and now you may be moving into that role of having to take care of your own parents.
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We have gone through a lot with Rick's mom, and it really did.
It filled a lot of our time after we became empty nesters.
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Speaker 4
You almost could say that it I don't want to use the word risk.
Well, I will because risks have different spectrums.
It puts a risk at the thriving of the empty nest with the sandwich generation element that we had to experience.
So we had adult kids.
My dad passed away in 2003.
And so it was my mom.
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She had remarried at the time.
She passed away a couple of years ago after a multi year decline with Alzheimer's.
It's a very difficult and I never want to say the things like, oh, it's one of the worst because people that experience other things with their parents.
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It was just a very difficult thing for us to experience and to watch her go to that decline.
Now, thankfully she had remarried, was remarried to a wonderful man who was her primary caregiver at the time.
However, even though my mom was down in Austin, which is 3 hours away, so I couldn't do the day-to-day caregiving.
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Elements of this as a way to help support Jerry, her husband.
There were a lot of the financial or other responsibilities that I would take on because I could do those remotely.
My sister was there in Austin able to do a lot of the day-to-day caregiving all while trying to enjoy, celebrate, coach, mentor the kids that we had, the one that we had in college, one that was in later stages of high school.
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And then when my mom did pass, my daughter actually was a freshman at university.
And there were times that Clancy and I looked at each other and said, all we have talked about is either the caregiving or then after my mom passed the estate and dealing with the estate and all of that.
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And having to be first aware of that.
And then secondarily, choosing to carve out the moments where that made sense to be focused on and the times that it made sense to completely discard that for your mind so that we could focus on us or focus on anything for that matter.
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Speaker 2
Because it did, really.
It infiltrated every aspect of our life even though we weren't physically there.
It it really did.
And I mean it's and even to the point that you know, she passed during the week of our son's college graduation.
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So we are like out celebrating and we told Tanner your Mia would not want us to do anything differently than we are doing.
She was very much a fun, loving, supportive person and she would not have wanted us to just drop everything and head to Austin.
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So.
But like Rick said, even after that we're still dealing with some things and it's been 2 years now.
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Speaker 4
And so as a parent, you want to be thinking about your adult kids and that sort of stuff.
And then any energy that's directed at the generation above is energy that you weren't anticipating.
And so that's where the sandwich can really squeeze the empty nest couple.
And thankfully Clancy's parents are both living and they're both in great health, their experience life to a great degree.
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But and, and even then, there are things that we have to think of and get in their head a little bit.
As we've seen, perhaps my mom could have done a better job of thinning some of the objects and some of the photos and that sort of aspect that now we are still dealing with.
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So elements of that with Clancy's parents as well, Having to try to coach and mentor upward is not a natural feeling.
And so those of us in that sandwich get a little.
15:17
Speaker 2
Stuff and that generation does not like to talk about any of that stuff and so.
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Speaker 3
We noticed.
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Speaker 4
Yes, it.
15:25
Speaker 2
Like yes, with my parents, we have to schedule, OK, we are going to sit down and talk about especially after now we've gone through it with your dad, which we are much younger when that happened.
And then with your mom, we know the things that need to be planned out before certain things happen, and trying to get them to realize that and open up and start talking about that, it is hard.
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Speaker 4
Yeah, I think a lot of times when people hear the term sandwich generation, they think about the caregiving and some a parent who is sickly or has Alzheimer or is just physically declining or what that might look like.
There's just so many other elements, not only the estate after the fact.
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What's it like when your parents start dating?
Right.
Watching my mom date and then remarry.
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Speaker 3
And that's weird, man.
16:13
Speaker 4
It is, and that's the and at the same time that your kids are at the age and stage of life that they're making.
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Speaker 1
Important.
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Speaker 4
Relationship decisions.
And So what is your role as the coach and the mentor?
As the one who we believe we have a very healthy and thriving marriage, what's our role in helping and advising the different generations up and down?
So there's a lot of categories of sandwich well beyond just the health caregiving.
16:38
Protecting Your Marriage with Boundaries and Self-Awareness
I really like how you've formalized this into an idea.
The sandwich, right?
16:44
Speaker 4
Certainly no credit, no branding on our regard, but we have embraced that concept in a strong.
16:49
Speaker 3
Well, you, you were intentional about it and I wasn't, but now I am.
Thank you.
16:54
Speaker 1
Yeah, we've gone through a bit of that and we're far away from both of our parents.
But having to travel, me, I would go quarterly to help out because my sisters that live close to my mom were doing all of the caregiving.
I know it was way harder for them.
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I know the intense burden upon them, their marriages, their kids, that was super hard.
But even to some extent, like you're saying, being a little bit further away still carries emotional baggage maybe or that that squeeze time.
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What other ways do you think it impacted your marriage or you as individuals that then impacted your marriage?
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Speaker 4
I know that I felt a lot of guilt at times.
Not we've talked about this, no regrets.
Like I felt a lot of guilt around not being there.
And so I would go there once a month.
Austin's not as far as some other distances, so I'd go there once a month, but there'd be elements where if Jerry was doing something really intense or if Rachel was doing a lot of work, I might feel a little bit of guilt Around that and I had to process that comes the realization the situation is what it is and there is no guilt to be felt.
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I'm being the quote, good son going down there once a month and that's what our life can support.
That part was an emotional processing.
I know that we had to work through some things as well.
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Speaker 2
Because when things started in really good intense, it was our daughter's senior year of high school, she was on the drill team.
There were times that he would go to Austin, his flight would get cancelled.
And so it was, I'm going to rent a car so I can get back to it.
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But I felt, I mean, he knows, I felt like we were being neglected somewhat in that all of our conversations were focused on what was going on there and to the point that I had to say, look, we have to stop talking about this at every single meal date, everything.
18:56
And we did.
We checked ourselves on both sides and you know, realized, but it did it put strain and then even like you said after the fact, after she passed, it still infiltrated our lives because you think.
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Speaker 4
Is empty.
And I think that's one of the almost myths about empty nesting, is that all of life's responsibilities disappear when your kids leave the house and therefore it's just running naked through the house and all responsibilities are gone.
Money worries, they're gone.
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No family worries.
Wait, we can't.
And I think it's through the house.
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Speaker 3
Anymore.
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Speaker 4
And I think that's elements of that sandwich piece.
And especially like Clancy calling out of look, we can't let this dominate.
It's important.
We're not diminishing its importance, but we simply cannot let it dominate every aspect of our life.
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And that is something that we had to work through to realize, OK, the myth of emptiness living doesn't match the reality.
What do we need to do about that to improve and then thrive in that emptiness reality?
So in other words.
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Speaker 3
Rick and Clancy, you were practicing insight, one of our cornerstones about healthy scintillating marriages, which like you're standing back, you're looking at each other, at ourselves, right?
There's internal, there's external.
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Self-awareness.
Sounds like some.
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Speaker 1
Boundaries setting around the marriage as well to protect the marriage.
Do you agree with that?
Yes, Oh yes.
20:30
Speaker 2
For sure.
And I will say throughout our marriage, had to do that on several occasion with different situations.
Yeah, absolutely.
20:39
Speaker 4
So family.
20:40
Speaker 2
Oriented mostly, but yes, yeah, there's a lot of.
20:42
Speaker 4
You know holidays and stuff off and have discussions around boundaries and we did a healthy job of setting those boundaries.
Then I think we have benefited from having our kids be away as we became empty nesters so that while it is only a 2 hour flight, there's at least sort of a, a self-imposed boundary of kid can't just come home each weekend type thing.
21:07
So we didn't have to do that.
I know there are a lot of empty nesters that have to have some of that boundary setting.
No, you need to go live your life.
We're going to live our life.
We didn't have as much of a challenge with that.
I think this I, I mentioned that trip we just took last week.
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That was something that's not necessary a boundary, but a realization maybe to the inside point of we hadn't traveled a just relaxed agenda free vacation as just us in way too long.
We've done some fabulous.
21:38
Speaker 2
Vacation they have been, but they've been very agenda based.
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Speaker 4
Go, go, go.
This was almost the Unbound during.
That's a horrible bastard.
I know it there.
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Speaker 3
We had to do that.
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Speaker 4
Doing a few months ago.
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Speaker 1
All that requires.
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Speaker 3
Insight to a healthy, emotionally intelligent, scintillating marriage, I had to say.
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Speaker 1
I I'm scheduled to the hilt.
I've had it up to here.
I need to do nothing but sit on a beach or sit on a lake or on a boat or whatever it is for several days to unwind.
But let's be honest.
22:12
Speaker 3
My love, we do have those times where we can run naked through the house.
22:19
Speaker 4
I just.
22:19
Speaker 3
Want to make that point?
I I.
22:21
Speaker 4
Hope I inspired something for this evening but just make sure the cameras off.
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Speaker 3
Or at least you.
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Speaker 1
Can.
22:30
Speaker 4
We've all seen the side belt episode.
We know the difference between good naked and bad naked, so.
22:37
Discover More and Strengthen Your Marriage with Intelligence
Yeah, well.
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Speaker 2
We're.
22:40
Speaker 1
Really excited that you're doing a podcast like we are.
What else do you do?
Do you have places that people can find out about what you're doing if they want to learn more about creating a thriving, scintillating, empty nest marriage?
22:55
Yeah, absolutely.
22:56
Speaker 4
Everything is available at the Loud quiet.com, so there is a newsletter that we put out each week in addition to the podcast.
You can sign up for it there.
Anyone who signs up does get a free download of our Empty Nest Travel tips and Guide.
I'm signing up.
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Speaker 1
Wow, we'll have to.
23:12
Speaker 3
Compare it with ours, Yeah.
23:14
Speaker 1
Oh, oh, that's.
23:15
Speaker 4
Good.
We can cross reference there, yes.
23:17
Speaker 3
Yeah, excitingly.
23:19
Speaker 4
We've got a book coming out later this year as well, Slippity Dog.
23:22
Speaker 3
What's it called?
23:23
Speaker 2
The loud.
23:24
Speaker 4
Quiet, the loud, the loud quiet.
Do you remember our tagline?
We have a subtitle title.
What is it?
23:30
Speaker 2
Living, loving and I don't know now, I can't remember.
23:35
Speaker 1
We were, we just.
23:36
Speaker 2
Got back from vacation.
We we put that all to the side.
I know 3 words.
23:40
Speaker 4
The Loud client, but all of it's available at the Loud quiet.com, SO and our Facebook.
23:46
Speaker 2
Community group is.
There's a button for that as well on the website because the.
23:50
Speaker 4
We're trying to make sure that this isn't such an isolated stage and so this community is.
The idea is not only to be digitally connected.
Over time as this grows, we want this to be physically connected as there's different heat maps of groups.
We do intend for folks to get together because it can be such an isolating time and instead not let's all get together like a big muni.
24:09
Speaker 3
Swimming pool, right?
24:11
Speaker 1
Yeah, just I like the idea.
24:13
Speaker 4
Dive right in.
24:15
Speaker 1
Well, this has been so fun to be with you both and yeah, thank you.
So.
24:19
Speaker 3
Much.
Sounds like date night's coming up, in my opinion here.
Yeah, we're gonna have to get the.
24:23
Speaker 1
Cross to check.
24:24
Speaker 3
Some, yeah.
24:26
Speaker 2
Sounds like you guys.
24:26
Speaker 3
Are on the same track, so we love that you love.
24:29
Speaker 1
To have fun.
We love that you're making this a wonderful part of your lives together and creating new identities and new parts of your relationship to go out in style.
Thank you So.
24:42
Speaker 3
Much for joining us and to all of you out there, we're so glad that you joined us.
We hope that you picked up some tips on how to empty nest better and also find us over at marriageiq.com where you can sign up for our weekly newsletter and marriage tips.
25:02
And remember until next time that to change from a stinky to a scintillating marriage first requires a change in ourselves.
And with that, everybody.
25:13
Speaker 1
Have a great week and we'll see you on another exciting episode of Marriage IQ.
